We have a RAT in our group - Ca-Mustangs.com forums

roushstage3 · 11-20-2006, 01:44 PM

I don't know if all of you have heard from Craig yet, but he got a call today from APEX. Leslie sent Mike an e-mail stating that he should not do anymore work on Craig's car or give him free stuff do to the fact that he was bad mouthing the shop. Mike even had a copy of the conversation from the Mod Corner.

This is total crap. Leslie intentionally used club information to attack a member of the club. He had no business even saying anything to Mike. It doesn't matter who the member is this is against the club and he should be banned!!!!

So you have my vote Leslie should be banned!!!

The second part of this is what Mod sent him the conversation. It only could have come from the Mod corner!!!! Obviously this individual has no concern for the Mod rules or the club and should at least be removed as a Mod.

Who ever did this have the courage to remove yourself as a moderator!!!!

**9Venom9** · 11-20-2006, 02:04 PM

First off I am sooooooooo tired of hearing Leslie's name. he made it known still today and is making a joke about quiting the club but yet will not man up and admit what he was at fault for.

I have taken the time to mend things with Bridgette to better things and now I have to deal with Leslie's rumors... I was approached on PM that Bridgette heard I was talking drama about her quiting the club which I explained to her that it was mentioned at the Good Guys cars show that the former Amy called Chris and told him that.

This is what happened..
Leslie Told Bill at the NorCalSVTOA track event that they had all quit the club permanently because of how I am... Bill in turn called Amy who then called Chris..

This is getting OLD!

Leslie wants to talk shit behind my back and continue to rub this clubs image in the dirt with fabricated stories and well.. continuing the drama we finally put to rest.

he made it known he is no longer a member so banning him should not be a problem....but I also vote to wash the club of this crap and to show WE WILL NOT put up with this crap any longer.

Who ever this is feeding Leslie private things said in the Mod corner.. is it really worth feeding the drama we all agreed needed to stop? Its obvious he is using your trust against you..

**05 FSTBK** · 11-20-2006, 03:34 PM

Man, I knew I couldn't leave this place alone for two days.

I got hit with once I got back from Fresno.

Craig and I had a long talk and I think we all know that I wouldn't cross the street to piss on Mike to piss on him if he was on fire. I would have no reason to violate the trust and/or to better Mike.
While, Craig, I don't agree that you are willing to take you car there. that is your choice.

**Stroked03** · 11-20-2006, 09:08 PM

wow that's insane i thought all of the drama about mike was deleted

???? or is the recent stuff? any how I havent been on much but now that things are flowing i will keep a closer watch on things. This really pisses me off why someone would do this after all that has already happened can't people act like adults and not gossip queens. Craig this will eventually come to an end hang in there bud.

**Stroked03** · 11-20-2006, 09:08 PM

wow that's insane i thought all of the drama about mike was deleted

???? or is the recent stuff? any how I havent been on much but now that things are flowing i will keep a closer watch on things. This really pisses me off why someone would do this after all that has already happened can't people act like adults and not gossip queens. Craig this will eventually come to an end hang in there bud.

roushstage3 · 11-21-2006, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 05 FSTBK

Man, I knew I couldn't leave this place alone for two days.

I got hit with once I got back from Fresno.

Craig and I had a long talk and I think we all know that I wouldn't cross the street to piss on Mike to piss on him if he was on fire. I would have no reason to violate the trust and/or to better Mike.
While, Craig, I don't agree that you are willing to take you car there. that is your choice.

This isn't about APEX or Mike, it is about the fact that club information was given to him by Leslie and that information could only have come from the Mod Section!!!

I am still putting this up for a VOTE. Leslie should be banned!!!

**05 FSTBK** · 11-21-2006, 09:35 AM

I just got this email from Leslie:

Subject:
Hey

Hey buddy,

I was told that Criag is in the process of having me banned from
Ca-Mustangs, allthough this comes as no surprise to me, I am curious as too
why he feels the need to do this.

Since I have gone out of my way to avoid him and the site, what would his
reasoning be to have me banned.

I know " what goes on in the mod corner stays in the mod corner", but just a
reason would be helpful.

Thanks,

Leslie

My response:Subject:
RE: Hey

Les,
I can't violate that trust. All I can say is he's hearing from people that you are bad mouthing the club.
Sorry.

Deryn Fredette

**05 FSTBK** · 11-21-2006, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by roushstage3

This isn't about APEX or Mike, it is about the fact that club information was given to him by Leslie and that information could only have come from the Mod Section!!!

I am still putting this up for a VOTE. Leslie should be banned!!!

Well then, based on the information that has been provided in this thread Leslie has violated the rules of the Club and therefore, should be banned.

**05 FSTBK** · 11-21-2006, 09:39 AM

You know, this sucks. I still consider Leslie a friend. And we talk via email a lot. And he never mentions Craig or the club in any bad light.

But I vote Ban Him. To stop the drama.

**9Venom9** · 11-21-2006, 01:21 PM

I find his e-mail amusing.. this is why.. How did he find out I was in the process of banning him? But thats not the point, the point is I am not the one who brought up banning him on here... lol Thats the thing with Leslie no matter what everything is always pointed at me. He always plays Mr. Innocent no matter what.... Friends with him or not I hope you all can see this now.

**9Venom9** · 11-21-2006, 01:33 PM

This time for me its sad it had to come to this... I wish you all can hear what I am being told is coming out of his mouth. How everything is all my fault.... Sorry but is total BS, I explained to most of you the prob I had with Leslie while he was a Mod, about the talks we had and him showing no back up to me, using me as the fall guy and the BS he pulled out on his last "Statement" on here.. Taking on jobs he didn't follow through on... is it not my right or any right of the mods to say "hey whats going on with that project, why aren't we getting any updates"

I am sure if that came from Daryn he would of taken it another way but since it came from me it was called "being a dictator"

I am glad we can all talk about this civil, I think we all need to lay it all on the table that way he doesn't have another thing he can go running around to his buddies says "Its all Craig, Its all Craig" like the fucking British are coming to town.

Let me also point this out, wasnt he one of the main ones other than me to push to get Billy boy banned from the site? How he couldnt stand him? Now there best buds again..... Shady!

**9Venom9** · 11-21-2006, 01:51 PM

HA another thing, we can ban him and trust me it would feel good but the guy is a sneaky SOB, just like when he signed up on CM to spy, he got banned 4 times and was still able to get on.. I am sure he already has a fake name on here as well...... I am sorry but does anyone else see all of this?

**05 FSTBK** · 11-21-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 9Venom9

HA another thing, we can ban him and trust me it would feel good but the guy is a sneaky SOB, just like when he signed up on CM to spy, he got banned 4 times and was still able to get on.. I am sure he already has a fake name on here as well...... I am sorry but does anyone else see all of this?

Actually, I have been thinking about this.

I think I know who the rat is. Leslie.

No offense Craig. But while both and Leslie had Admin powers, I'm sure he was able to figure out more than you. And he probably left himself a backdoor to be able to see anything that goes on anywhere on the site. And I wouldn't be suprised if he is several members.

**05 FSTBK** · 11-21-2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 9Venom9

Let me also point this out, wasnt he one of the main ones other than me to push to get Billy boy banned from the site? How he couldnt stand him? Now there best buds again..... Shady!

I acutally have talked to Leslie about the whole Bill thing. He's not best buds with him. They were at the same event together and were civil. I believe Bill asked how things were going and Leslie said he didn't really know because he wasn't posting on there much anymore. that you and him had a falling out.

I'm not doubting what you say or believe Craig. But I'm also looking at who your sources are. Two we banned for lieing and the other I am biased against, permanently. Who knows we're probably both being lied to.

**9Venom9** · 11-21-2006, 02:26 PM

I will talk with Mark and find out if there is any way he can back door us.. I will also cross reference I.P. address to see if there is any matches.

But from what I know unless you have permission only delt with my the admin you can not see the Mod Corner. But if he is doing this, its pathetic and another thing...

He tried to use that letter I posted in here that was sent to me from Mike to get everyone's opinion, then he gets ahold of it and tries to use it against me to tell mike not to work on my car anymore.... WTF and who is trying to create drama here?

Funny part is Mike had already known I did this.

Now I don't know who all here calls me a Friend but if you do I think its time you tell Leslie if your Friends with him to grow up and get over it... he paved his own path.

Mike and I have a weird friendship.. I have always been truthful with him and told him if I went off on him or the shop behind his back so shit like this would never blow up... But for someone to try and punk me and prevent my car gettiong fixed is pathetic and childish just so he can have one up on me, and this is comming from Leslie who how many timesx said in here "I will never let Mike or APEX touch my car"

If any of you want to be freinds with him go for it but one day you will find his true colors also.

**9Venom9** · 11-21-2006, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 05 FSTBK

I acutally have talked to Leslie about the whole Bill thing. He's not best buds with him. They were at the same event together and were civil. I believe Bill asked how things were going and Leslie said he didn't really know because he wasn't posting on there much anymore. that you and him had a falling out.

I'm not doubting what you say or believe Craig. But I'm also looking at who your sources are. Two we banned for lieing and the other I am biased against, permanently. Who knows we're probably both being lied to.

D i know you and Leslie are freinds and I don't hold that aginst you but I will ask From Mike if he still has it but a direct quote from leslie was "Bill and I are good freinds and always will be"

I think someone or people are playing both sides of the fence... But I dont think Mike called me with made up BS.. he did sound upset.

**02WhtPony** · 11-21-2006, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 05 FSTBK

No offense Craig. But while both and Leslie had Admin powers, I'm sure he was able to figure out more than you. And he probably left himself a backdoor to be able to see anything that goes on anywhere on the site. And I wouldn't be suprised if he is several members.

Craig, you and I already discussed that this could be a possibility, should definitely be checked up upon. Leslie mave have his immature side, but he is very smart and asvy when it comes to computers....
I find it a shame that its come to it but based on his actions Leslie has put himself inline to be banned... Maybe then some of this drama can die off... I mean I have made some friends through this site, and find it a great site, but f**k'n A it's just a web based car club, nothing worth people getting ulcers over...

UveLost · 11-21-2006, 04:21 PM

god damn im gone for a few days and all hell breaks loose... wow this sucks man..

**9Venom9** · 11-21-2006, 04:28 PM

I know you all got an e-mail from Leslie asking why his signature is gone... if any of you get any more e-mails concerning this site I would recommend posting it up here for all of us to see.

I know Leslie is in fact playing 2 sides.. he has those he is crying "This isn't fare why is Craig doing this" then the other side where he thinks getting us all fired up is fun and he is trying to get banned off the site. I am still working on the evidence to prove this.

BTW I did remove his Signature, just like he did to a few former members he thought was funny to clean out there profile...

This is no gone far from just discussing Banning him, I am going to clear my name of all this BS and show you all I have been truthful and upfront with my feelings and my actions and also what has been told to me.

**9Venom9** · 11-21-2006, 04:48 PM

I talked to a Security Tech for Vbulletin and he told me the only way he can get into the Mod section and read anything that's being said is by using someone else's screen name and pass word that has access to this forum.

I suggest you all change your password.

**Stroked03** · 11-21-2006, 05:19 PM

Funny how all of us was emailed ecept craig

**02WhtPony** · 11-21-2006, 05:23 PM

guess I should check my email

UveLost · 11-21-2006, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 9Venom9

I talked to a Security Tech for Vbulletin and he told me the only way he can get into the Mod section and read anything that's being said is by using someone else's screen name and pass word that has access to this forum.

I suggest you all change your password.

Done..

**9Venom9** · 11-22-2006, 07:53 PM

4 votes to Ban, 3 votes not made... We need to hear from the rest of you (Robin, Uvelost, Jesse)

**Stroked03** · 11-22-2006, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 9Venom9

4 votes to Ban, 3 votes not made... We need to hear from the rest of you (Robin, Uvelost, Jesse)

BAN