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**9Venom9** · 11-08-2006, 03:30 PM

Just to give you guys a heads up I am having major probs with Apex, I am sure you all know how bad they have messed up the cobra with in the last couple months and how many times it has broken down leaving there shop because of all the coolant system work they have failed to fix.

Well not my head gasket blew because of all the over heating issues from APEX, and it is there fault this has happened and Mike took full responsibility for it yesterday on AIM, I also had Jesse there with me when I told mike as a witness.

Today I called him to talk more about when they were going to fix the car and now he is trying to say this is all my fault and when the Canton tank blew that's what cause the head gasket to go even though Canton has reports of a bad batch of tanks that the weld broke and that also when this happened I shut down the car before it even had a chance to over heat.

So 4 times attempting to pick up the car it brakes down on the way home due to there work. 3 times it over heated, the last was there mech not putting the upper radiator hose on properly and I was forced to fix it in a parking lot and then tried to take it home and it over heated and broke down on me.

They claimed the did a pressure test of the block.. well if they did they would of found the leak.. so that was a lie. Plus the Canton tank has a 16psi cap on it that would of blown before anything else on the car would of gone. So there was no "extra pressure" Mike is now claiming is the reason.

So it looks like he is going to try and make me pay for some of the repairs that were the shops fault because he doesn't want to pay to have the engine pulled and replace the gaskets.

So I told him I should not be help responsible for this and he tried to argue with me saying he shouldn't have to pay. Claims he didn't charge me to repair the canton tank. (Which I was never told) But that I pointed out the over heating started after the replaced the radiator not when the canton tank went.

I hate to say this but this looks like it might go to court for his shops shady work. Will find out more later.

My last statement to him before he got off the phone was "Mike I understand I have received discounts for being sponsored by the shop but I wont pay for something that was not my fault or your fault but the half ass work that was done on the car by the mech"

**02WhtPony** · 11-08-2006, 04:01 PM

Well I believe small claims is for claims up tp $5000... You just need to document what was done when, and what specific problem occured afterwards, and what had to be fixed because of it... Maybe he'll change his mind if he realizes your serious about taking him to court, he can't really afford bad publicity...

**9Venom9** · 11-08-2006, 04:20 PM

Yea true, I haven't brought this up to him yet because I am trying to avoid a battle and you guys think when I get upset I vent.. That guy will make a war out of this.

**02WhtPony** · 11-08-2006, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 9Venom9

Yea true, I haven't brought this up to him yet because I am trying to avoid a battle and you guys think when I get upset I vent.. That guy will make a war out of this.

If possible communicate in writing (email, IM) and be VERY careful how you say things, then you can print them out for hard evidence...

**9Venom9** · 11-08-2006, 04:29 PM

This is the PM I just sent him, and I have also done some home work in the last few hours and was told since they did not have me sign a work order I can turn them into the B.A.R (Bureau of Automotive Repair) if this gets ugly or Mike tries to get shady.

The Cobra
I have a feeling that after yesterday you took full responsibility for this and I also believe that if a proper pressure test was done this leak would of been found.

I also think your going to make this difficult and force me to pay out of my pocket for some of the cost of damages not my fault. I know your going to use things like "boost or the canton tank". if that is the case i don't feel like battling this out, or taking this to levels it shouldn't have to go. We have been friends for awhile and I don't feel our friendship should be affected since your not the one who worked on the car but protecting your shop and the cost to fix the car.

So I would like to request you figure out what the cost would be to complete this project, tell me what my cost is and write me a check for Apex's part and I am going to take it to a local repair shop to have the car fixed.

Sorry but this has become an extreme hassle trying to get the car back and forth the last 5 times it has been to the shop it has broke down before I could even get it home, trying to find rides and such. I just want my car fixed properly. So I do choose to take it to a local shop and not to Apex. I just don't have the time anymore.

**9Venom9** · 11-08-2006, 04:32 PM

I have also contacted Modular SpeedWorx and told them the whole story and waiting for a call back to see what it will cost to have the car fixed by them. I have finally learned my lesson.

Yesterday when Mike took full responsibility on AIM, Jesse was standing right behind me plus I have over a dozen people like yourself who know how much of a pint he last few months have been because of there pore quality of work.

Lets just say The Cobra will never see APEX again!

**02WhtPony** · 11-08-2006, 04:33 PM

nice.... we'll see what he says

**05 FSTBK** · 11-08-2006, 04:44 PM

Were you able to print out the AIM?

**Stroked03** · 11-08-2006, 05:30 PM

I don't think i want to do bussiness with him as he keeps asking...........

**9Venom9** · 11-08-2006, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 05 FSTBK

Were you able to print out the AIM?

No I didn't, I know word of mouth isn't as concrete as stone but its better then nothing. But I do have a PM from him awhile go saying he would take full responsibility.

I just got off the phone with the owner of Modular speedworx and after telling him everything that has happened he said "Not to down talk another shop but we have had at least a dozen of there cars come through here"

**05 FSTBK** · 11-08-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 9Venom9

No I didn't, I know word of mouth isn't as concrete as stone but its better then nothing. But I do have a PM from him awhile go saying he would take full responsibility.

I just got off the phone with the owner of Modular speedworx and after telling him everything that has happened he said "Not to down talk another shop but we have had at least a dozen of there cars come through here"

Craig, remember Mike was trying to sue the owners of Ca-F0rds. Becareful bad mouthing Apex to another shop. I realise Modular was doing it but you need to protect yourself against slander/lible as a counter suit.

**Stroked03** · 11-08-2006, 05:50 PM

I would pull his SV powers no need to support someone who doesn't take care of their customers

**9Venom9** · 11-08-2006, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 05 FSTBK

Craig, remember Mike was trying to sue the owners of Ca-F0rds. Becareful bad mouthing Apex to another shop. I realise Modular was doing it but you need to protect yourself against slander/lible as a counter suit.

Yea I know, all I did was tell him that I was tired of apex fucking up my car and what had happened since day one leading up to today. Also the damage done to my polished parts, and scuffs on the paint.

**02WhtPony** · 11-08-2006, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 05 FSTBK

Craig, remember Mike was trying to sue the owners of Ca-F0rds. Becareful bad mouthing Apex to another shop. I realise Modular was doing it but you need to protect yourself against slander/lible as a counter suit.

True, be careful what you say on here too in the public forums, I think the majority of us are aware of the quality of their work...

**9Venom9** · 11-08-2006, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Stroked03

I would pull his SV powers no need to support someone who doesn't take care of their customers

I wish it was that easy.. he did pay for the banner space but we also have the right to void any SV that could pose a concern for our members. I am still waiting for his response... We all have to relieze how dirty Mike can get... he can use NorCalSVTOA site against us even Ban any of us for booting him as a Vendor.. Even though he claims NorCalSVTOA isnt based from Apex we all know it is,

**02WhtPony** · 11-08-2006, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 9Venom9

I wish it was that easy.. he did pay for the banner space but we also have the right to void any SV that could pose a concern for our members. I am still waiting for his response... We all have to relieze how dirty Mike can get... he can use NorCalSVTOA site against us even Ban any of us for booting him as a Vendor.. Even though he claims NorCalSVTOA isnt based from Apex we all know it is,

Yah I don't think I'd jump onto banning him as a vendor, until u get everything settled with him...

**9Venom9** · 11-08-2006, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 02WhtPony

True, be careful what you say on here too in the public forums, I think the majority of us are aware of the quality of their work...

That's why I am talking about it in here and not on the public forum. If things go to the worse we will come up with a public announcement before posting it.

**9Venom9** · 11-08-2006, 07:14 PM

MSX quoted me $1000 to pull the heads off, replace with 03/04 Cobra Head gaskets, ARP studs and labor... Not bad at all. Plus I am going to have them re-look at the squeak that Apex "Fixed"

**02WhtPony** · 11-08-2006, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 9Venom9

MSX quoted me $1000 to pull the heads off, replace with 03/04 Cobra Head gaskets, ARP studs and labor... Not bad at all. Plus I am going to have them re-look at the squeak that Apex "Fixed"

Sounds like a good plan...

**9Venom9** · 11-09-2006, 12:13 PM

Well day 2 and he is still avoiding me like a plage, he wont respond to my PM's on both NorCalsvtoa and this site and wont anser his phone but he has been on here since the messege was sent..... You think someone is a bit guitly..hmmm

roushstage3 · 11-09-2006, 12:22 PM

Damn, Fly out one day and look what I miss. I agree be careful what you say about APEX and I hate to say this, but be careful about banning him. You don't want to open yourself up to a counter suite!

**9Venom9** · 11-09-2006, 01:24 PM

he can't Sue me for banning him off the site, that is at my discretion and the discretion of the Mods. It states that in the Rules that he should of read when he signed up... we did that to protect us.

I think the best thing to do is he only paid for 6 months to advertise on the site after trying to tell me he deserved free banner space. Once that is up we can pull him.

**05 FSTBK** · 11-09-2006, 02:12 PM

I say we just don't renew his banner. and then if he gives us shit, he's banned.
Who on the site has his shop actually helped in a timely and cost effective manner?
When's his 6 months up?

**9Venom9** · 11-09-2006, 03:58 PM

He paid about a month after the new site went up.

**9Venom9** · 11-09-2006, 04:07 PM

Here is his response even if some of it is a little fabricated:

Craig,

That's fine we'll get the fenders fixed and we just need to come to an amount which is agreeagble for the head gaskets.

I am sorry you have been inconvienced with your car and hopefully someone can do the repairs on the gaskets locally to you. We have always bent over backwards for you and putting your car 1st over our other customers. We have let you make payments on the repairs & upgrades done to your car. I've helped you out with the insurance company. Loaned you my car on numerous occassions. We have meet you many times to help accomidate your schedule including Chris driving all the way back from Monterey and skipping dinner with his mother on a Saturday afternoon. We have come in on many nights and weekends to help accomidate you. AND I have paid LOTS of overtime to my employees to finish your car, including over $500 to tune your car with Ed. Many times pushing back the promised finish times of cars scheduled before yours.

I have even talked to manufacturers on your behalf to help you with discounted parts.

I am grateful you have helped promote Apex in a positive light and helping send work to us. Unfortunately, I don't believe you look at the whole picture alot of times... how many shops would charge you a labor rate of $60 per hour, set you up with a Saleen 475HP blower for $3000, get a complete body kit for less than $500.

I do feel conditions leading to the bursting of your overflow tank helped contribute to the head gaskets bursting. I am not asking you to pay the full amount to fix the problem because I do believe the hose coming off conttibuted to it also. What I propose is you have AAA tow the car to us and we will fix it for $500 which would include the parts and costs of labor.